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Honesty and Transparency

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 Mrs Panda (original poster member #27303) posted at 11:02 PM on Friday, December 4th, 2020

Lying is (usually) one of the cornerstones of cheating. We justify it to ourselves, to our friends, our therapists, and the world. Sometimes it’s the ongoing lying that hurts more than the actual act of cheating. The “trickle truth.”

It’s funny (not like funny haha but more like ironic). I always considered myself an honest person. Never cheated on a test or stole a piece of candy from a drug store. But I learned to lie to my (overbearing) mother to protect myself. To avoid confrontation. To frankly not have to “deal.” Living in my head with my own truth was working for me.

I lied in almost every intimate relationship I had. At first , it was all truth and let me show you all my bad stuff and please accept me. But then, at time went on, I would keep feelings to myself. In part to avoid confrontation. In part because I was selfish and felt entitled to do what I want. In part because I don’t really want anyone to know what goes on in my head except me. Who could possibly understand?

After my DDays, my BH saw the worst of me. Saw that I had a lot I was hiding. I can’t say I felt relieved. Just exposed. Ashamed.

As a side note, I find shame the most difficult emotion to deal with. Perhaps because I have always been “good” and people (ok family) always so proud of me.

BH forgave me in time and I learned that hurt, confrontation or angry emotions are not the end of the world. It’s actually ok to speak things that are not comfortable or even painful.

I was thinking about this today because in a conversation with a work colleague, I was told “well, I take it you are telling the truth.” I was aghast. “Of course I am” I thought. I learned my lesson on that one. I am super honest and transparent, thank you very much. But how would my colleague know that?

People lie. All the time. I forget how much now that I have committed to living authentically. Even my BH believes “white lies” are ok. I am pretty black and white, so I say “not for me.”

Curious others’ experiences and pontifications on lying and radical honesty.

Me-48 FWW Him 51BH
M 20 years,. Fully Reconciled ❤️.
DDay#1 Nov 2008
DDay#2 Aug 2009 (Prior A from 2001)
"Those who believe in telekinetics, raise my hand." -Kurt Vonnegut

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Darkness Falls ( member #27879) posted at 11:18 PM on Friday, December 4th, 2020

I learned to lie and hide things as a young child for the exact same reasons as you—overbearing mother, both parents having sky-high expectations for me, terrified of disappointing them, etc. I too carried the pattern into the relationship, then marriage, with my H. I justified it by “not wanting to hurt him” but what I really meant was that *I* didn’t want to deal with his expression of anger at or disappointment with my actions.

Simultaneously, I also wanted to do what I wanted to do and not “have to” care about how such actions affected him. Looking back, I was not ready for a serious relationship until much later in life than I thought (or wished) I was. So, to eat cake, I lied and hid things while still trying to keep the relationship instead of ending it honorably.

Currently, I don’t commit adultery but I am not transparent at all, with anything. My personal life is my own business. Our personal relationship is over; our marriage is limited to the kids and finances. Once I am financially able and things with our special-needs child are more stable, I will be leaving him and looking for a real relationship, one that I am finally mature enough and ready for.

Married -> I cheated -> We divorced -> We remarried -> Had two kids -> Now we’re miserable again

Staying together for the kids

D-day 2010

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survrus ( member #67698) posted at 2:30 AM on Saturday, December 5th, 2020

Do this thought experiment.

Imagine that when the OM and You started up and progressed into an affair you told everything to your BH, would the affair have happened at all.

This is why I show my W any inappropriate texts women send me immediately.

When I showed my W the most recent set of texts, she asked me why I was showing them to her, then she stopped and said something like "nothing can happen if it's in the open."

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