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There is a hard truth about the gray area: indecision is a decision of its own. I know that every day I don’t explicitly choose a new direction, I am defaulting to the status quo. I am choosing to remain exactly where I am, standing still while the ground continues to move beneath me.

Intellectually, I understand this. Emotionally, I simply cannot seem to throw my entire weight in one direction or the other, and it is starting to drive me crazy.

I keep expecting a moment of absolute clarity. I keep waiting for the morning I wake up and just *know*, with undeniable certainty, whether I am staying or leaving. No second-guessing. No agonizing over whether I am making the biggest mistake of my life. Just a clear path forward.

That moment hasn’t come.

There are days when I am utterly certain I am done. I look at the history, at the things hidden in the dark, at everything I learned in the aftermath, and I cannot imagine ever looking at my relationship with her through the same lens again. On those days, walking away feels less like a choice and more like accepting reality.

But then another day arrives. The house is calm. There is a sense of normalcy, a shared moment of intimacy, a glimpse of the person I have spent the last nineteen years of my life with. I look at our kids. I look at the life we built. And for a few quiet hours, the detachment fades, and I can actually imagine something entirely new growing out of the wreckage.

And suddenly, the certainty evaporates.

That is the part that wears me down the most. I wish I could sit here and write that I am 100% committed to reconciliation. I can’t. I wish I could say I am 100% committed to walking away. I can’t say that either. I am somewhere in between, and trying to live between two possible lives is exhausting.

My brain is constantly running both futures. "If I stay", will I eventually be proud knowing I left no stone unturned, or will I look back in five years and hate that I stayed after being shown exactly what someone was capable of? "If I leave", will I finally feel free, or will I spend years wondering whether I walked away right before real change finally took hold?

If I stay, can trust ever become something real again? If I leave, am I walking away from something that actually could have been rebuilt?

Around and around it goes.

People love to say, "When you know, you know."

Maybe they do. But what if you don’t? How long are you supposed to wait for that moment of certainty before accepting that it may never come?

Perhaps part of my struggle is the expectation that a decision of this magnitude will eventually feel comfortable. Maybe it never will. Maybe there is no version of this story where I confidently choose a door, walk through it, and never glance back over my shoulder.

Because both doors require a profound loss.

Staying means accepting that the marriage I believed in is dead and deciding whether I have the stamina to build a new one with the person who broke it. Leaving means accepting that nearly two decades of shared history ends completely differently than I ever envisioned, and that our family’s everyday life changes permanently.

Neither option feels like a victory. They just hurt in entirely different ways.

I know I cannot live in this limbo indefinitely. At some point, refusing to choose becomes its own choice. I do not want to wake up years from now and realize I spent them waiting for some magical threshold of certainty that was never coming.

But I also do not want to make a pe rmanent, life-altering decision simply because I am exhausted from thinking about it.

So I keep circling back to the same question for those who have stood exactly here. Right now, I am standing at a fork in the road waiting for one of the paths to light up, that ah ha moment. And I am starting to wonder if neither one ever does.

I feel I am being very unfair to my WW by this and that is a pressure I also struggle with.

How long did it take you to know?

Did you actually reach a point where you felt 100% confident in your decision to stay or go?

Or did you eventually realize that absolute certainty was never coming and simply choose the direction you believed you could live with?

I know everyone and situation is unique but all of your perspectives help greatly.

IMO, the biggest loss is the loss of illusions, and you've suffered that no matter what you do. The stay/go decision, then, is about making a good life without those illusions. Which looks like it will give you more of what you want?

IMO, you're pushing yourself for a fast decision. My reco is to go for the right decision, and your post says you don't have the answer yet. 'Indecision' while seeking more information isn't indecision. It's seeking more information.

You've probably got decades of life left. I'd hate to see you force yourself into a choice, because I believe the best choice WILL percolate up, if you let it. And the best way to let that happen, IMO, is to take pressure off yourself to make a decision NOW.

IMO, most of us who are undecided either 1) actually want R but are afraid it won't succeed, or 2) actually want D but are afraid of the unknown. I don't think you're in the 2nd camp.

If you're in the 1st, my reco is to define requirements and ask your WS to commit to meeting them (or to negotiate mutually satisfactory alternatives). If she commits, start R with a commitment to yourself to leave unless she meets your reqs. If she won't commit, it's probably time to D.

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ETA:

How long did it take you to know?

I knew what I wanted immediately. It took 90 day of observation for me to conclude :1) my W really did want R and was committed to fixing her shit whether I chose R or not, and 2) my initial hypothesis, that her A was a result of a sickness within her, was correct.

Did you actually reach a point where you felt 100% confident in your decision to stay or go?

Yes, the day I made it, 90 days out from d-day. I realize that absolute certainty was never coming and simply chose the direction I believed would give me the most joy.

I never questioned whether I would 'live with it' - I decided immediately after W's revelation that I would not let her fuckup ruin my life.

I felt as close to 100% confident that R would succeed about 2 years out.

[This message edited by SI Staff at 3:19 PM, Saturday, September 26th]

You recognize both choices are painful in some way.

So you may not be able to decide w/out some pain points unfortunately.

I think for some people they reach a point of realizing things (ie cheater) will not change at all or change enough to make staying in the marriage or relationship worthwhile or beneficial to them.

For others they may recognize the value of peace, calm, truth, etc. and realize staying is not going to bring you that. It is a very personal decision.

You are not going to make everyone happy. Best I can say is you need to make yourself happy. If staying together is your choice - then you may need to re-evaluate your situation or dynamics so if the cheater doesn’t change or cheats again, you will not be devastated like you are now. You need to figure out how to be happy while protecting yourself — knowing you had your reasons for your choices.

Bottom line / you can remain married to a liar & cheater, but you need to change your expectations in order to have some sort of happiness.

One of the biggest singular dangers in terms of living an unhappy life is living in limbo. I’m generally against reconciliation if the goal is for the betrayed spouse to live the happiest possible life. That being said, I think those who fully commit to reconciliation end up far happier than those who stay for years in perpetual limbo. I’ve noted it dozens of times: people who just stay together, never addressing the problems, are deeply unhappy—maybe even half-hating their partner. It’s a true tragedy.

Here is my response to your questions based on my experience:

How long did it take you to know?
In my situation, I felt like I knew she was cheating, but I didn't have any good evidence. I sort of preemptively broke up in a bid to get the truth. So I guess I knew before I even knew.

Did you actually reach a point where you felt 100% confident in your decision to stay or go?
I had a strong outline of how I wanted my life to look, and that did not include being with someone who'd betray me. I had always said I would not stay with a cheater, and I'm a man of my word. Did it hurt me to pull the trigger? Yes. Did I have to fight my worst instincts? Also yes. But I didn't see it as a choice for me. I still don't.

Or did you eventually realize that absolute certainty was never coming and simply choose the direction you believed you could live with?
Absolute certainty is a myth that keeps people trapped in the dark. Waiting for a "lightning bolt" or a path to light up with zero residual pain is how years turn into decades of silent resentment. You are waiting for a moment where a door feels comfortable, but neither door can ever feel comfortable right now because both require a profound, agonizing loss.

The realization you need isn't which path is pain-free; it's accepting that indecision is a slow, paralyzing form of self-sabotage. You don't pick a direction because you are 100% sure it will work out perfectly; you pick a direction because you refuse to let your life be consumed by the purgatory of waiting. You choose the set of consequences you are willing to bear, and then you make it the right decision through your action and commitment.

What I can say, being 6 days away from marrying a woman I truly love—in a relationship completely free from the stain of betrayal—is that I can see why right now you don't see either option as a victory.

But from where I'm standing today, I feel like the biggest winner on earth. Or at least in the North East of England.

You deserve to reach a point where you feel that way too, but you will never find it while standing in the middle of the fork.

If you were to look at the next 5 years, which outcome frightens you more: the pain of rebuilding a life from scratch , or the quiet grief of staying in a home where the person who was supposed to love and protect you betrayed you in the worst way. Dragged her AP to your wedding and soiled the day and associated memories. Who admitted to it while laughing in public. I know what would scare me most.

Certainty is a fairytale. Don’t tie yourself to such artificial requirements of being 100% sure when making such a complex and monumental decision.

It took me about 20 months of the spinning that you describe to find my clarity. All models are wrong, some are useful. When I model my internal state with the word "clarity", I do not mean like looking thru a perfectly clean window and the whole world opened up to me. No epiphanies to be found anywhere. But it was enough weight on the one side that the scales were so clearly unbalanced that it was time to act. My heart pointed me in that direction, and my mind didn’t revolt, and I acted. You can actually read this in real time in that thread I shared earlier "I needed to believe". My decision and its reasons and its residual doubts are documented there for posterity in the back half of the thread.

Limbo serves a function for a time while we get back on our feet. I strongly caution against letting it become a permenant state. That is to surviving infidelity what a zombie is to the living, IMO. Take what time you need to evaluate, to gather data, and make your decision. If you are still in this state two years from now, there is definitely a problem, IMO.

And I don’t think you should worry about the unfairness of this situation to her. I understand the sentiment, but it is unhelpful. If she doesn’t like the situation, she has the autonomy to leave. You take care of you and the kids.

I'm confused Gemmy. I'm pretty sure you have filed for divorce and I believe the final hearing is set for late October, correct? If I'm mistaken or if you have instructed your attorney to dismiss the divorce case and I missed this fact, please clear this up for me.

[Had to look it up. On July 23, 2026, you posted:

I filed for divorce a week and a half after DDay 2, unfortunately it takes one full year here. I am divorced on Oct.28th of this year, regardless of reconciliation.

https://www.survivinginfidelity.com/topics/667219/it-was-only-five-people-/?HL=86765&ap=21 ]

I'm pretty confident that you also wrote you had an attorney and filed for divorce. Please don't tell us you filed a divorce pro se and you're handling it by yourself. There is no such thing as a simple divorce where children are involved.

Assuming that the divorce (and that you have an attorney) is still proceeding, I'm assuming this limbo you refer to is you (or your WW) remaining in the house with the kids and keeping the 'status quo.' I am unaware of any State where a court will render a final judgment of divorce without splitting assets, determining custody of children, child support and alimony, if any... and these are just the bare basics.

Have you and your WW had any discussions regarding these above basics?
Is your WW even represented by an attorney?

Can you clear this up? Has there been any work on the divorce-- discovery, temporary orders, mediation.. anything?

I now have a sinking feeling you filed for divorce pro se and you expect to go to court on Oct. 28th and the judge will just look at you and your WW, bang his gavel and say "You're divorced!" You seem to be much more intelligent than that to expect such a simple outcome. Also having concurrent alternate visions of your attorney in his/her office pulling his/her hair out dealing with a nonresponsive or indecisive client that won't return phone calls or work with said attorney-- with a deadline a month out from now.

This was filed and submitted by a lawyer/mediation team, but an uncontested divorce that is eligible Oct.28th as that is the official date. Then, here at least, a judge reviews the paperwork without a trial or ordinary court appearance. The separation agreement covered all and was drafted by a lawyer, witnessed, and notarized. The divorce normally becomes effective 31 days after the divorce order for this type of uncontested divorce. This only works when both parties agree and you follow the government child support structure.

This has not changed I just feel (right or wrong) guilty if I decide to go all in on reconciliation, WW has her hopes up, then gets blindsided when I choose I cannot do it and leave. I would feel (again right or wrong) horrible and guilty putting her through that even if she "deserves" such. I unfortunately still care very deeply about her feelings, despite not being afforded the same consideration by her.

I feel I am being very unfair to my WW by this and that is a pressure I also struggle with.

Fuck fair! There is nothing fair about the situation in which SHE put you. She has earned your indecision. This is all on her. This is her cross to bear.

Six years, brother. It took me six years to finally realize that I didn't want to be married anymore. And I do not regret those years at all.

I understand the conflict. I understand how draining it can be. I understand living with the uncertainty. BTDT.

And so I'm going to repeat the best advice I ever received on SI. Forget about your marriage and reconciliation for a while. Step-back and detach from your WW. Watch and observe what she does with the opportunity you've given to her. Focus on you, your recovery and healing. Find your own peace of mind, body and spirit.

I cannot stress how incredibly important it was for me to get nice and cozy comfortable up on that proverbial fence. I focused on me (and the kid). I focused on my healing, my happiness, my peace. I focused on processing all of that trauma out of my body, mind and spirit.

It reminds me of a joke of sorts that I've seen repeated often here. It comes from the movie "The Princess Bride." Wesley is describing his time with the dread pirate Roberts, who tells him each night: "Good night, Wesley. Good work today. I'll most likely kill you in the morning." Except, in this case, it was me telling my ex "Good night, dear. Good work today. I'll most likely divorce you in the morning."

Change your focus, Gemmy. Let go of the outcome. Focus on you, your recovery and healing. Focus on finding your own happiness and peace. For it is only when we are at peace with ourselves can we be at peace with the rest of the world.

ETA: The indecision is a choice. It is a choice to recognize that you don't know which is the better option. It is a very difficult choice to make and there is no reason to put any undo pressure upon yourself. It's not limbo when you're actively trying to assess the situation.

[This message edited by Unhinged at 8:59 PM, Friday, September 25th]

Hi Gemmy,

WW here… I had a similar conversation with my H about the "grey area" becoming the new normality. It’s a state of things that he rejects with all of himself.

We both find it difficult not to fall into a "limbo routine" while we are recovering / healing (before deciding for R). It does feel like a fine line between settling in greyness and needing time to recover. I am not sure I am expressing this well enough.

My H told me something about how he sees the path ahead that provided some clarity for me (the wayward): he said he is open to reconciliation but he needs to feel a sense of fairness. In order to be reconciled, he wants to be able to think "despite the cheating, things got so good and she put so much effort that staying was 100% worth it. And if she was to cheat again, she would look like the idiot for all the work she had to do to fix things and then destroyed them again".

He wants the tables to turn around so that "staying with a former cheater was better then starting from scratch".

I obviously have no idea if I / we can achieve that. But the above gave me a good insight into what he is currently feeling.

And it was a good reminder to myself not to "get comfortable" in the greyness with the occasional good day, but to keep going back into the ring (I am not saying I am succeeding).

Apologies if my comment is not exactly in line with what you asked. It’s just what you said was similar to some conversations we had recently

Hi Gemmy. Seconding the idea that you do not owe your WW decisiveness. She's the one who broke the marriage and the trust and introduced the need to make a decision in the first place; she can live with the consequences of her choices. If she understands the magnitude of what she's done and she wants what's best for your healing, she should understand even if you try hard to reconcile and it doesn't end up working out. It can be hard for a WS to accept that even if they do their best to do reconciliation "right"-- and you have posted plenty of instances where she has done it wrong-- that their BS may still choose divorce, but it is all part of the WS's recovery journey.

IIRC she has only recently been demonstrating that she's moving in the right direction. That may be contributing to some of your uncertainty: the delayed progress. Do you think you might be moving away from grieving the loss of the marriage you thought you had and the desire to keep your marriage/family together, to acceptance of what happened and the more... "concrete" isn't exactly the right word, but maybe "data driven" assessment of whether successful reconciliation and rebuilding of the marriage is possible?

[This message edited by GotTheMorbs at 11:59 PM, Friday, September 25th]

Always has been.

I chose limbo for a year. Sometimes you just need to sit on the fence while you work it out.

It's up to you.

How long did it take you to know?

Did you actually reach a point where you felt 100% confident in your decision to stay or go?

Or did you eventually realize that absolute certainty was never coming and simply choose the direction you believed you could live with?

It took me 2.5 years to know, and the 4 months of that was a period of living separately. I was never optimistic about our prospects for R aside, but I also wanted to give it a fair chance, and I struggled mightily (as some people here know) with the potential impact of divorce on our daughter.

Was I 100% confident? I'd say 90-95%. I left the door open in my mind for the possibility of R after divorce, but a couple months of living separately brought so much clarity. Every time I'd leave the house for my apartment, I'd feel a tremendous sense of relief. I didn't miss him at all. I felt peaceful living alone. I still worried about our kid, and if I have any regrets today, it's in that dimension. She's fine, but for me, not being there 100% of her last year of living at home before college is hard at time. She prefers staying at the house to my little apartment, which is understandable, but it means I'm missing out on some aspects of her life. The positive impact to my physical health over the past half-year are undeniable, though - I can see it in the trend lines on my fitness tracking app.

In your case, with the divorce coming soon and given all you've been through, have you considered going through with the divorce and telling her you'll consider remarriage in the future after/if she can demonstrate real change? Divorce doesn't have to be a permanent state of being. If she gives up in despair because of divorce, maybe her heart isn't really in having a relationship with you. Maybe she's more interested in saving the status quo.